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Re: Atta sexdens in wooden...

Beitragvon Phasmid » 18. Mai 2009 22:11

It is tricky to explain how you should setup the fungus box. This is why you really should be starting will a hardy Acromyrmex sp so that you can experiment with them until you have a suitable setup :wink: .

You could put a layer of a solid water holding medium at the bottom of the tank, such as plaster or clay granules, and the ants should build the fungus garden on top.
If you do this, it may be a good idea to put a smaller container in the fungus tank that they can use so that they feel more secure until the fungus garden is big enough to start filling the rest of the fungus tank (they like small spaces).

Alternatively, you could put lots of soil in to allow the ants to dig a chamber or build round the fungus. This way they can regulate air flow better to suit the fungus’ needs, and you don’t need to worry about putting a second, smaller, container in the fungus tank.

Also very importantly, as I discovered the other day, while the colony is very small they will dump waste inside the nest box near the garden and you must be able to romeve this waste.
I don’t have this problem with my large Acromyrmex colony but this happened with my queen less Atta colony:
Mites (well some sort of tiny spring tail) will breed very quickly in this waste with so much humidity and will gradually encroach on the fungus until you look at them one day and the fungus is four times smaller, the ants have abandoned it and it is just swarming with these mites :evil: .
At the size it was, and unable to grow (no queen); the ants had no chance against the onslaught.
I had to rescue what was left of the colony and fungus and clean the tank. Now the workers have taken back the fungus from the “mites” and are adding to it once more :| .
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Re: Atta sexdens in wooden...

Beitragvon evantica » 19. Mai 2009 17:58

do appriciate it phasmid, real helpfull...OK I have some things to prepar before my Attas will arrive, Yes I do like the Attas! purhapse you have some pic's on your colony's??? some times it's easier to see it, insted of reading about it?! I you do and want to... you can mail me at: Dont put personel info here, use PM
Thanks once again, and If you can think of anymore usefull tip for a "newcomer" please let me know.
by the way... how can I lay hands on: "Acromyrmex"??? they don't have them at "Antstore"?!
Sincerely: Hakan in Sweden
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Re: Atta sexdens in wooden...

Beitragvon Phasmid » 19. Mai 2009 19:38

Acromyrmex is usually more available than Atta, just not at the moment apparently.
There is an old pic of my setup in my thread on the photo section. It is not the best looking setup in the world, but it works. viewtopic.php?f=133&t=8088&start=15
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Re: Atta sexdens in wooden...

Beitragvon evantica » 19. Mai 2009 21:23

ok. nice...I now have a second tought (?!)... about the attas... maybe better of with Acromyrmex, to start with you say?!...hm.. I can Allways get this Attas later , when I'm better prepared! :roll: thanks for all your help!!! You have a true friend in Sweden!
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Re: Atta sexdens in wooden...

Beitragvon damondeionno » 20. Mai 2009 11:00

Evantica, you have maximum respect from most experienced users of this forum. It is extremely rare that a beginner, listens to what people say and actually changes their mind. Acromyrmex will be cheaper, more tolerant of your errors (though still very challenging) and will also not grow to as big a colony (still huge). Also their behaviour is almost identical and the vast majority of people won't be able to tell the difference by looking at them.
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Re: Atta sexdens in wooden...

Beitragvon JimmyVe » 20. Mai 2009 15:31

At a dutch forum there is a guy with a Atta colony, he has much experience and almost a perfect setup for them. (i think :) )
The setup also can be used for Acromyrmex spicies.

Check out those pictures (i know you dont understand it but you can translate allot using a translation page)

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Re: Atta sexdens in wooden...

Beitragvon evantica » 20. Mai 2009 17:50

damondeionno. thanks friend... I listen to what you say, and will learn more about this faboulus ant world,
this is a great forum for beginners like me. Appriciate it!
Jimmyvee, yes I will check the german site you mentioned. Hakan in Swe
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Re: Atta sexdens in wooden...

Beitragvon evantica » 23. Mai 2009 18:15

Hi again, did you mean any "Acromyrmex spieces"? seen there's a whole lot of different subspieces, and differnt localitys?!
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Re: Atta sexdens in wooden...

Beitragvon evantica » 23. Mai 2009 18:19

oh one more...I read the german Atta site, you mentioned Jimmy, and it was a learning lesson. but my translation program didn't quite translate enough. I didn't understood how "he" transported the fungus as it growed bigger to a bigger cub??? Or if the Ants them self, did it? :(
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Re: Atta sexdens in wooden...

Beitragvon Phasmid » 23. Mai 2009 19:04

Sounds like he did it by hand, as he describes how the fungus feels and then says the ants seem surprised about suddenly being in another container.
Personally I would let them move them selves as it was not far and the queen could have been damaged in the move. Although the workers would have difficulty safely moving such a large queen.
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Re: Atta sexdens in wooden...

Beitragvon evantica » 24. Mai 2009 06:44

Thanks Phasmid.. I have 175 L tank for my soon arrival Acromyrmex, and purhapse it's wiser to but them in a minor set up at first. To see how they develope? but at the same time it feels kind of stupid to move/ risky, if things goes well in this minor set up..hm.
In my holding tank (175L) I will prepare the optimal climate, Hygro/ temp, floor substrat, light. what are your suggestions :roll: Hakan in Swe
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Re: Atta sexdens in wooden...

Beitragvon evantica » 25. Mai 2009 20:37

ok... I go with Phasmids... "you could put lots of soil in to allow the ants to dig a chamber or build round the fungus. This way they can regulate air flow better to suit the fungus’ needs, and you don’t need to worry about putting a second, smaller, container in the fungus tank".
1 more... Do I pick the "alonging" fungus by hands, and put it right on the soil in my holding tank then?
(sorry about all the questions...
:?
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Re: Atta sexdens in wooden...

Beitragvon damondeionno » 26. Mai 2009 11:41

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Re: Atta sexdens in wooden...

Beitragvon evantica » 26. Mai 2009 16:37

damondeionno! the link doesn't work???
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Re: Atta sexdens in wooden...

Beitragvon evantica » 29. Mai 2009 19:41

Thanks damondeinno for link tip!!! I have one more question: I have arrange, kind of walkways for my soon arriving ants. because the coloni is not that big, and my -allready- prepered leafstation, is about 8 full meters away from my nestbox, is this wise, the right way??? purhapse better for the coloni to grow strong first...??? or will they fix the "long walkway" in the beggining/ when arriving? should I feed them in the nestbox? someone please... :?
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