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Kale^^: (27. Jan 2008 14:52)

The idea is very good, but when you make a formicarium like that, the ants probably dig their nest in the wider part; most ants (aswell lasius niger) prefer darkness. So if you want them to move to the thin part, you need to cover it well first, and when they are settled in you can remove any covers and they will get used to the light. But still they may want to move to the wider area. One way to prevent them from moving to the wide area, is, that you keep it very dry, they don't like to live in dry places, that's more important than the light for them.
Lasius Niger will dig into almost any kind of soil, i've seen them in the wildlife on Finland in a lot of different types; sand, rotten wood, gravell, all that kinds off things. L Niger isn't too choosy. So don't worry.

Indica: (27. Jan 2008 15:08)

I already thought of that. I'm thinking of making very solid and thick wooden base for it, should hold up just fine.

i was refering to you being able to pick it up and move it, and not the bottom giving way.. :wink:
Oh, well.. I guess i could just carefully pick it up and move it.. if needed I can always ask someone to help if I cant grab it alone? I was personally more worried about it being quiet wide and when holding it the thinner part might give up.

The idea is very good, but when you make a formicarium like that, the ants probably dig their nest in the wider part; most ants (aswell lasius niger) prefer darkness. So if you want them to move to the thin part, you need to cover it well first, and when they are settled in you can remove any covers and they will get used to the light. But still they may want to move to the wider area. One way to prevent them from moving to the wide area, is, that you keep it very dry, they don't like to live in dry places, that's more important than the light for them.
Lasius Niger will dig into almost any kind of soil, i've seen them in the wildlife on Finland in a lot of different types; sand, rotten wood, gravell, all that kinds off things. L Niger isn't too choosy. So don't worry.

I was thinking of pluging the hole to the wider are at first until they start to dig into narrow part. Once they have started digging then I unplug the hole and they can access there too. Would it work, or they sometimes change places too?

Also thought of covering the narrow room, and only opening it for.. well looking at it. But the bigger room would always be exposed to light.

darradar: (27. Jan 2008 15:16)

well its gonna be trail and error, though if they decide to, once they do move, youl find it hard to get them back, Ants can only be minapulated to some degree, give them free range, and they'l most like do the opposite of what yuo require...

Kale^^: (27. Jan 2008 15:17)

I was thinking of pluging the hole to the wider are at first until they start to dig into narrow part. Once they have started digging then I unplug the hole and they can access there too. Would it work, or they sometimes change places too?

The idea is good, but they do move if they think they need to/it helps the colony.


Also thought of covering the narrow room, and only opening it for.. well looking at it. But the bigger room would always be exposed to light.
Yuo can also buy a http://www.antstore.net/shop/product_info.php/info/p115_Red-PVC-protective-sheet-sticking.html
anc cover the glass with that, so you can observer the ants whenever you want, without stressing the ants.

Indica: (27. Jan 2008 15:23)

Hmm, what if I close the hole, like I planned. But leave the underground part connected between the narrow and big room, so if the narrow room gets to small they can still expand to big room?

I plan to keep both rooms equally moisture, but only narrow one always in the dark. So the narrow room would be better for them anyway, right?

Kale^^: (27. Jan 2008 16:11)

Nah, they'd just dig in the middle of the wide part, so they will not see the light (obviously, if you're not going to use transparent sand).

Indica: (27. Jan 2008 16:16)

http://www.antstore.net/shop/images/product_images/popup_images/361_1.jpg
How do these things work then?

Kale^^: (27. Jan 2008 16:24)

those work, in fact in that way; The nest site is damp, and the feeding area is flat and dry so the ants wont dig in the wrong place.

Indica: (27. Jan 2008 16:49)

those work, in fact in that way; The nest site is damp, and the feeding area is flat and dry so the ants wont dig in the wrong place.
http://i31.tinypic.com/2s681lf.png
Would this work then?
If yes which would be better, tiny rocks (Which ants cant lift) or a dry sand?

Kale^^: (27. Jan 2008 19:48)

Most ants (at least lasius niger) can lift 5-10mm rocks. And those rocks would be easy to pass for l. niger, since they would sneak between them.
I've seen it.

And how are you going to prevent the grass moving to the nest area?

And if you are going to use that "very dry sand" how do you keep it dry, if you want to keep the lower part damp? It is very hard to control such.

I'm not trying to discourage you, but you have to solve these problems before you can put the ants in. When the ants live there, it is harder to control this.


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