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anquietas: ants and termites (10. Jun 2008 06:43)

ok i was out earlyer today looking for termites i found them but the strange thing is is that they were living in the same log as lasius emarginatus and the structure of the tunnles and chambers in the log were of termite disign but both ants and termites were in the chambers and working together passing eachother without fighting and it even looked as though a termite every now and then would even clean the ants is this a sign of the ants making slaves or the termites making slaves or the two making peace after millions of years of war? i found the ant queen and she and her workers were lasius emarginatus and i folowed the termites as long as i could (.5m deep trench that went for 4m) and then lost them but they were eastern subterranean termites

ashhad1: (10. Jun 2008 09:52)

hmmm i never heard about termites and ants making slaves of each other nor have i ever heard they cooperate with each other.

Sphecomyrmex: (10. Jun 2008 10:14)

Very interesting!

Some ants live in the same nest with termites. Some ants that live in the same nest with termites are inquiline social parasites of termites, other ants are parabiotic and termitophylous. I didn't know that Lasius emarginatus could live with termites...It would be great to observe these "compound" nests of ants and termites. What termite specie was it?

anquietas: (10. Jun 2008 10:21)

they were eastern subterranean termites http://ohioline.osu.edu/b1209/index.html theres a bio sheet all about these termites they are also the same kind i am trying to keep (needy little things) o and what does inquiline prabiotic and termitophylous mean? little new to the terms =p

Sphecomyrmex: (10. Jun 2008 11:02)

Well, inquiline parasitic ants of termites live in termitaria for hunting termites. Instead, parabiotic and termitophylous ants live in peace with termites. There are also parabiotic ants that live in peace with other ants. This phenom is called "parabiosis".

anquietas: (10. Jun 2008 11:04)

o ok thank you for explaneing that but still have you ever heard of lasius emarginatus being parabiotic?

Sphecomyrmex: (10. Jun 2008 11:10)

No, i haven't...Termitophylous ants that lives in parabiosis with termites are so few... Then it's more probably, it's an inquiline social parasite of termites...

Have you taken the compound colony?

anquietas: (11. Jun 2008 01:25)

no i was not able to proqure it the queen got away long before i could get a contianer for her but i wish i had and the workers of both termite and ant bolted towards the termite mud tubes and got away

Sphecomyrmex: (11. Jun 2008 14:12)

I've looked in web for articles on this mater. But i've found nothing.
Then, it could be very interesting, really a new phenom :-)

But it can also trot of an isolated case.
Please tell me if you found other of these Lasius emarginatus-Reticulitermes compound colony.

anquietas: (12. Jun 2008 00:29)

i have not the other colonies were they both were they were fighting to the death ROMAN GLADIATORS!!!!!!!!!!!! anyways back to being serious lol i did go back there today and found a cripled colony of massive black carpenter ants you know those ones that are like 3.5cm long is it possible that they had a tempory allience to defeat the carpenter ants ?


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