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sithmaster676: (17. Sep 2007 22:17)

no when a slave raider queens is mated a leaves the nest she trys to find the nearest formica fusca colony this is when she kills the queen and maybe not rolls lol but smears the internal juices on herself i have seen this happen and it works the workers then adapt to her new smell believing its there old queen and now she has a large a,mount of workers to care for her brood.
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JimmyVe: (18. Sep 2007 16:05)

Formica Fusca steal brood from other colonys by infiltrating nests

Not Formica fusca but Formica sanguinea steal brood from other colonies. sanguinea steals from species like fusca .

sithmaster676: (18. Sep 2007 19:18)

yeah because formica fusca are a really timid species even though lasius niger workers dwarf them in comparison.
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miszt: (18. Sep 2007 19:19)

sorry, my mistake

JimmyVe: (19. Sep 2007 11:29)

@ sith: you mean Lasius niger keep Formica fusca workers as slaves ? Never heard of that one. Don't think they to that.

@ miszt: no problem. ;)

sithmaster676: (19. Sep 2007 19:31)

no not that they keep them as slaves i boosted my Formica fusca colony after a disease struck with L asius niger brood and they were accepted as there own :)
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JimmyVe: (20. Sep 2007 17:28)

Ah, well that is possible. But than we do not talk about slaves, these are more accepted like there own (like you say). ;)

tail__: (21. Sep 2007 15:20)

Generally Lasius niger ants do not accept new queens, but it is possible to do it in formicarium. Ants should be cooled a bit in fridge - this will make them less active and less agressive. Hovewer, there is no guarantee of success. But there is another way. Ants of Chthonolasius subgenus (Lasius umbratus, Lasius bicornis, Lasius citrinus) are specialised in overtaking Lasius niger colonies - even colonies with queen present. A L. umbratus queen searches for a Lasius niger nest and then kills one worker. Then she enters the nest with dead worker in mandibles, using it as camouflage, so the workers allow her pass. Then she searches for larvas, touches them and gets their scent. Now she is accepted by L. niger workers as their own queen. I don't know if she kills legal L. niger queen or uses chemical propaganda to convince workers to do the job, but after few days L. niger queen is dead and L.umbratus queen starts to produce her own brood. These species are quite common everywhere where L. niger lives, but are rarely seen and can be mistaken for Lasius flavus - they are also yellow and live only underground, but workers are a bit larger. So, if you manage to get L. umbratus queen, she would be ideal for replacement in an orphaned colony. :wink:

miszt: (21. Sep 2007 15:51)

very intresting stuff tail_ :D

sithmaster676: (23. Sep 2007 19:32)

sounds like that may work but would properly be quite hard trying to find this species
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