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Messorus: Re: Self Contained Eco System for ants... (21. Feb 2009 22:28)

Your going to have this ecosystem in a 15x20x15cm basin? Thats way to small, the P.coarctata prey will not be able to breed quick enough to sustain even a few ants.

This bassin is just bit smaller, it have overall shape.... Yes I know about that, it´s like L. niger of 30 workers, living in terarium 100 x 50 x 50cms, but this is somethink different. The true is, that Ponera are really small ants, but did you ever saw thes ants youreself live, in nature? They need just old ,,chamber" by soil worm and they make normal nest in it, they don´t build their nest themselfs or just really sometimes.... I will put there clay soil and make small chambers in it, and than there will be ,,overworld" where they will have somethink like arena under wood or somethink.... Other owerworld will be for their food, Colembolla, Encyhtraea, Acarina and other and they will visit their arena too..... I´m studing the case of Hypoponera(schauinsladni, punctatissima) living in common tropical houses, botanic gardens and so on- they have huge space for predating there.. Also their queens make new colonies by hunting in big spaces in soil flower- pots.... So I must try keeping Ponera in ,,free claustral space", but you´re true, that they won´t breed much members, if they will live in this....
Processes in nature, which human´s eye can´t see are usually easier, that processes which human do by his own act and control..... :grin:

Mikey_Bustos: Re: Self Contained Eco System for ants... (7. Apr 2010 16:19)

I don't intend on ruining plans because I truly love the idea, but I have done this in the past (not with ants but with other terrestrial fauna/flora), and I feel it's a little more complicated than has been assessed. Mother Nature is much more complex than she appears.

For one thing, you will require a very large aquarium for it to work and for the wildlife to proliferate properly (plants included). Mine was in a 200 gallon aquarium and lasted 4 years until I decided to release everyone. If you intend on adding larger animals like crickets/grasshoppers, snails/slugs, and wolf spiders you will really need to have a greater space or else one of the food sources will run out. Though it seems impractical, a terrarium the size of a bathroom but laid lengthwise could probably sustain a terrestrial community well.

You also need to take into consideration air circulation. You will need an air pump installed to keep the air in the tank moving. It is essential for the plants, as well. With dead air you will get lots of mold and in enclosed system, lots of condensation so an air pump will be needed to keep the air from getting stagnant.

You also need to take into consideration photoperiod, as many of the organisms you have listed (plants included) depend on specific photoperiod cycles for things like breeding, germination, etc.

You really need to study every specific animal/plant you place in there. Many insects/arthopods have preferred territory requirements and often won't share with other animals (which is why space is so important). Also the manner in which you create the various niches is so essential. The topography must be diverse enough to allow all the organisms to occupy their preferred niches, e.g. wood lice living in crevices, mosses living in wet soil, ferns living in shadier areas, earthworms living in the substrate, spiders living under rocks, etc. It's important to give all organisms their necessary niche when deciding on how to landscape, especially if you're hoping to squeeze many living things together in a relatively small space.

What is below the ground line is just as important if not more important than what is above. You have to consider the content of the substrate you're using. It must have the nutrients and microbiota necessary to fueling the rest of the ecosystem. In other words, you can't expect to have a self-sustaining ecosystem using just sand or a bag of substrate from the pet store. I'd recommend getting soil from a forest and digging up the first layer of soil (decaying matter) and putting it in a bag, then digging more into the second layer and placing that into a second bag, and digging further into the third layer (and placing it into a third bag), and then add the layers over some gravel in the order that they existed in nature. All that substrate is important because it will contain all the terrestrial fungi, lichens, molds, bacteria, microorganisms, miniature arthopods & molluscs, which will benefit the other living things in the ecosystem.

To be honest, I feel adding ants to the complex system above would make it even more of a difficult feat, especially because ants are pretty territorial and just might clean the entire ecosystem of other insects if your terrarium isn't big enough.

However, I wish you the best of luck on your venture!!! Keep us posted on the progress! You don't learn if you don't try! :)

Messorus: Re: Self Contained Eco System for ants... (18. Dez 2010 13:59)

Hello guys
I have new experience... I keep a colony of P. coarcatata in a net from Nutela, with rubber closing. There is mixture of soil, leaf-leater, wood and other types of substrates. I put it there around 10 months ago and after two months added Collembola and Enchytraea. Than, when it was 5 months old, I´ve put there a colony of Ponera coarctata... And ants, now hibernating, are free living in it, and I feed them just once a month, it´s not necessary. Collembola feeds on leaf-litter and humus, and Poneras are catching it. You can find my diary here : http://forum.mravce.info/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=110

Notraymond: Re: Self Contained Eco System for ants... (29. Apr 2012 22:39)

I've done this before with far more simpler things (freshwater shrimp). If you don't want to get too much of a headache planning it, I suggest using an organism that does not need so much food or space, for example isopods (pill bugs). The biggest challenge is controlling population, I cant think of anything simple for that. If you want to forgo the ants, it is ok as they are demanding creatures for such a small system.

CROant: Re: Self Contained Eco System for ants... (5. Mai 2012 21:42)

" The biggest challenge is controlling population, I cant think of anything simple for that. "

Try with Drosera burmannii :-)

intellected: Re: Self Contained Eco System for ants... (22. Dez 2013 15:33)

Look at this guys!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8n0SkIGARuo

joshjw: Re: Self Contained Eco System for ants... (27. Jul 2014 01:57)

easiest way to control population is to get a colony that would only grow to a few thousand.


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